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    Big break in evolution...

    More and more evidence...


    (CNN) -- The oldest-known hominid skeleton was a 4-foot-tall female who walked upright more than 4 million years ago and offers new clues to how humans may have evolved, scientists say.

    This sketch shows what a 4 million-year-old hominid, nicknamed Ardi, may have looked like.

    Scientists believe that the fossilized remains, which were discovered in 1994 in Ethiopia and studied for years by an international team of researchers, support beliefs that humans and chimpanzees evolved separately from a common ancestor.

    "This is not an ordinary fossil. It's not a chimp. It's not a human. It shows us what we used to be," said project co-director Tim White, a paleontologist at the University of California, Berkeley.

    Ardipithecus ramidus, nicknamed "Ardi," is a hominid species that lived 4.4 million years ago in what is now Aramis, Ethiopia. That makes Ardi more than a million years older than the celebrated Lucy, the partial ape-human skeleton found in Africa in 1974.

    Ardi's 125-piece skeleton includes the skull, teeth, pelvis, hands and feet bones. Scientists say the data collected from Ardi's bone fragments over the past 17 years push back the story of human evolution further than previously believed.

    "In fact, what Ardipithecus tells us is that we as humans have been evolving to what we are today for at least 6 million years," C. Owen Lovejoy, an evolutionary biologist at Kent State University and project anatomist, said Thursday.
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    Analysis of Ardi's skeleton reveals that she weighed about 110 pounds, had very long arms and fingers, and possessed an opposable big toe that would have helped her grasp branches while moving through trees.

    Ardi's brain was believed to be the size of a chimp's, but she also had many human-like features, such as the ability to walk upright on two legs. Her "all-purpose type" teeth indicate that she probably ate a combination of plants, fruits and small mammals, scientists say.

    "The anatomy behind this behavioral combination is very unexpected and is certain to cause considerable rethinking of not only our evolutionary past, but also that of our living relatives: the great apes," said Alan Walker, professor of biological anthropology at Pennsylvania State University.

    Many scientists hypothesize that humans took a different evolutionary trajectory from those of chimpanzees, bonobos and gorillas. Ardi's findings help challenge earlier beliefs that humans evolved from chimpanzees, their closest genetic relatives, scientists say.

    Researchers are still trying to pinpoint when the two lineages -- chimps and humans -- split from their common ancestor.

    Digging up the past has not been easy.

    Scientists stumbled upon the Ardipithecus fossil in 1994 when a graduate student found a single upper molar tooth. The rest of Ardi's fossilized bones, sandwiched between layers of volcanic rock, took three years to be recovered and many more to be analyzed.

    "In many ways, the discovery of Ardipithecus has been like a marathon," White said.

    "Ardipithecus ramidus and its prevailing anatomy revolutionize the way most of us understood the earlier part of our evolutionary history," said team member Yohannes Haile-Selassie, paleontologist at the Cleveland Museum of Natural History.

    The Ardi findings are the work of 47 paleontologists and geologists representing 10 countries. The results will be published Friday in 11 articles in a special edition of the journal Science.

    Until now, Australopithecus, nicknamed "Lucy," was the oldest fossil studied by scientists seeking to explain human evolution. Lucy is believed to have lived about 3.2 million years ago in what is now Ethiopia.

    Many scientists credit Ethiopia with taking the lead in helping the world better understand the origins of humans.

    "This finding points to a deeper sense of our [humans'] interconnectedness," Samuel Assefa, Ethiopian ambassador to the United States, said Thursday. "We are all Ethiopians at heart."

    Ardi's skeleton resides in the National Museum of Ethiopia in Addis Ababa.



    Oldest human skeleton offers new clues to evolution - CNN.com

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    Re: Big break in evolution...

    If memory serves, this is the one that was pieced together from bits found spread over a huge radius, something like a full mile, with the toe bone that is so crucial to the conclusion being found even further away (I've heard 10 miles). Donald Johanson among (many) others does not believe the toe bone actually goes with the rest of the pieces and without it there can not even be a presumption of upright posture and the entire hominid theory rests solely on that.

    Again, I can not fully express just how thoroughly underwhelmed I am.
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    Re: Big break in evolution...

    This is a big deal.

    Its not quite the 'missing link,'but a discovery like this is a major event.

    The leg bones, pelvis, etc. all show that the discovery walked upright. The toe was only a small part in that. There is no doubt all the fossils came from the same person.
    47 authors, from 10 different countries. That'd have to be a helluva coverup.

    "The structure of Ardi's upper pelvis, leg bones and feet indicates she walked upright on the ground, while still retaining the ability to climb. Her foot had an opposable big toe for grasping tree limbs but lacked the flexibility that apes use to grab and scale tree trunks and vines ("Gorilla and chimp feet are almost like hands," says Lovejoy), nor did it have the arch that allowed Australopithecus and Homo to walk without lurching side to side."

    Ardi Fossil Discovery: New Human-Evolution Puzzle Piece - TIME

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    Re: Big break in evolution...

    How does this prove evolution at all? All it sounds like to me, is a discovery of a different species that went EXTINCT. I mean when you read the post you put up...it sounds a whole lot more like some type of ape then a human anyway. Just because its 4 illion years old doesnt mean it was the beginning of a human.
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    Re: Big break in evolution...

    Quote Originally Posted by Shooter View Post
    How does this prove evolution at all? All it sounds like to me, is a discovery of a different species that went EXTINCT. I mean when you read the post you put up...it sounds a whole lot more like some type of ape then a human anyway. Just because its 4 illion years old doesnt mean it was the beginning of a human.
    This is one of the major points of evolution, that around this time, the lineages diverged and the hominid(which is what this is) was the result. This is a huge deal like Biggin said, HUGE discovery. It does actually mean this was the beginning of the human.

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    Re: Big break in evolution...

    No it doesn't.

    You've got like 5% of the total skeletal structure, a doctrine to feed and support and whole big ol' bunch of hopeful evolutionists ready to exaggerate.

    In all honesty a careful read of the "Time" story is hilarious.
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    Re: Big break in evolution...

    Quote Originally Posted by Shooter View Post
    How does this prove evolution at all? All it sounds like to me, is a discovery of a different species that went EXTINCT. I mean when you read the post you put up...it sounds a whole lot more like some type of ape then a human anyway. Just because its 4 illion years old doesnt mean it was the beginning of a human.


    It doesnt prove evolution. Another thing that caught my eye was that the age of the remains that were found. I understand that Science uses Carbon Dating to attempt to determine the age of fossils, but Carbon Dating is not 100% accurate. If you will do a study on it you can clearly see this.

    Darwinism is still very much alive today in the minds of those who attempt to disprove God as our creator. Also , we read in the Bible that God created animals and humans seperate and wouldn't you know it that evolutionists claim that we evolved from a common ancester

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